Although it's hard to tell how many Infinity Stones he possessedat that point in time, he already has the golden Gauntlet that Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir,most likely meaning that this moment wassimilar to the equivalent timeframe in Avengers: Infinity War. However,not everyone is convinced by this theory. Also, with how easily Thor was able to behead Thanos in the opening of Avengers: Endgame, it seems unlikely that in all14,000,605 outcomes, none of them resulted in the Gauntlet being taken from Thanos and him being killed. Kaecilius summoned Dormamu through some kind of ritual, and that took some serious preparation. Of course, this is just my speculation and I would be glad to hear your thought even if to be proven wrong :-). Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! In a random encounter, the answer is obvious. Doctor Strange would utterly wreck Thanos with his powers. Doctor Strange at regular levels can even Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. I don't know. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Strange also doesn't like stark, possible he chose the first one stark dies lol. Strange's ultimate decision resulted in the deaths of Iron Man, Black Widow and the Vision -- resulting in the Scarlet Witch's fury with Doctor Strange. Round 3: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep AND foresight) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. This would've prevented the other Eternals from finding out their true purpose and rebelling. Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. Strange using the time stone meaning he likely would have failed if he tried. Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr., Josh Brolin, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Chris Pratt, Elizabeth Olsen, Chadwick Boseman, Sebastian Stan, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. The Time Stone, one of the six Infinity Stones, is perhaps the easiest and most succinct method; the wielder of the Time Stone can even move objects forwards and backwards through time. Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? During the intense and heartbreaking final act of Infinity War, Doctor Strange arrives on Titan with Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) and Spider-Man (Tom Holland). Fantastic, and Doctor Strange stopped Thanos from completing the Infinity Gauntlet and wiping out half of all life. Doctor Strange in the MCU timeline is shown to defeat his opponents through magic and intelligent work. After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. When Strange reversed time in the final fight of his movie, Kaecellius and his followers broke out of the spell within few moments. I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. Running out of options on their world, this variant of Strange elected to use the corrupting evil tome, the Darkhold. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. I think he had the sling ring. But a key moment in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 might as well have been written as a rebuttal to Strange's inaction in the film. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Can Thanos clears all three rounds and how? With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. Stopping someone like Thanos would always take sacrifice, and the ultimate cost of Endgame at least wasn't an entire reality. 8 Doctor Doom. At the center of Avengers: Endgame was Josh Brolin's Thanos, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4after his quest for the Infinity Stones made an everlasting mark on the entire MCU. WebDr. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. The examples can be seen of him going against Dormammu and Thanos. They added that after Thanos achieves his goal and initiates the Snap, he destroys the Infinity Stones because no other being strong enough could wield the stones. to Dream Walk, giving him the chance to venture across the multiverse and puppet his variants. In this flashback moment, the MCU's Illuminati defeated the iconic Marvel villainon his homeworldTitan,as the shot showed the villainwith his double-bladed sword piercing his chest. His victory in Avengers:Infinity War ultimately comes down to his sheer force of will and ability to do what the Avengers and Guardians wouldn't to achieve his goal. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. On-screen stone feats only. Every other outcome on Titan is merely delaying eventual defeat since it is inevitable someone much worse than Thanos will one day wield one or more of the stones," the Redditor concluded. While there may have been other means, the cost to the heroes (and the world as a whole) would have been too great for the Avengers to take. I like the comparison when Thanos changed the piece of scrap metal that got dropped on him into some type of large dark bats and when Doctor Strange did something similar to him he was expecting something worse and got butterflies. If yes, how would he overcome the time loop/time freeze? If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. Admittedly, there is a lot of debate over what exactlyDoctor Strange was doing in Infinity War - after seeing 14,000,605 futures, he decided to give Thanos the Time Stone, enabling him to ultimately kill half the universe - but this one aspect seems a cut-and-dry oversight. Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? Doctor Strange likely saw millions of futures where the Avengers beat Thanos, but he would have also seen millions more where the Earth is destroyed soon after by the Celestial. This hints at the true cost of Doctor Strange subverting his plans from Infinity War and Endgame. Thanos and the Avengers' interests align in Avengers: Mech Strike #4by Jed Mackay and Carlos Magno. By sacrificing Gamora and thus earning a contract with the stone, it would ensure he was not killed or incapacitated in such a way that he would fail his mission to obtain all six Infinity Stones. Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. Much like Thanos was likely too powerful, quick and or intelligent to let his hand be cut off, Thanos likely could have broken out of the spell. Because out of 14 million possible outcomes there was only 1 where they succeed, and it wasn't by Dr. Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. Growing up in the English countryside on a mixture of Star Wars, The Simpsons and Aardman, Alex is a lifelong movie obsessive. Looking back at this scene, it appears that Thanos was well on his way to replicating what he did in the prime MCU as he fought the Illuminati on Titan. Since we still know little about the Soul Stone, I'd guess it plays a central role in Endgame. The Avengers' battle with Thanos for the fate of the Infinity Stones was a brutal one that almost resulted in the destruction of all life in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Hence I'm very curious if there are any possible combos/changes that four stones could overcome the power of time Stone and foresight. RELATED: Avengers: Endgame Had A Better Thor Than Chris Hemsworth For One Deadly Reason. I don't think Strange can traverse universe that easily, or that he could do it at all. I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. Perhaps there's a way to break Thanos' contract with the Stone. That attempt failed. Ya, Ive seen one theory saying the power stone over-rules the other stones. It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. By venturing across the multiverse and weakening the walls separating different timelines, Strange was single-handily responsible for this event, to the horror of himself and his friends. This term, of course, comes with its own strategic implications, from a popular tactic in chess. In Infinity War, Thanos' primary goal on Titan is to get the Time Stone from Strange; bringing it out of wherever he'd hidden it to create a loop riskedexposing it to attack. So i doubt Strange can use that on such a hurry situation. I've spoken about this many times but i will give the short version: A victory in ur eyes is not the same as a victory in the eyes of Strange. The power and space stones can kill or bfr Strange but can't undo time loop (evidented by the Domarmu battle), the soul stone is featless (as far as I can remember). WebDoctor Strange did indeed use the Time Stone to beat Thanos. Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. WebCan Thanos beat Captain America? Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. Copyright 2020 The Direct Media Group LLC. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. None of that contradicts what the OP said though A question I always wondered is were all these possibilities as a result of them landing on Titan? My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. None of the other allies can die. It's a worse version of seeing the future and then picking a path bc he's actively in combat where high pressure can mess things up. Wait was there a time stone in the drawer with the infinity stones? After viewing millions of possible futures, Strange only saw one way to final victory over Thanos and it involved the Mad Titan winning, if only for the moment. The theory is very convincing, as it's true that without the Snap, Earth would've likely been destroyed. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. Based in London, he oversees a global news & features team based in NY, LA and beyond. In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just While none of these is a resolute explanation,they show that Doctor Strange putting Thanos in a timeloop may not be as foolproof as it may initially seem. But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. Based on feats and logic Strange wins all rounds via time stop. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. He currently lives in the United States and writes about Marvel, DC, Star Wars and other properties. He used it to look at all possible futures and saw that the only way to beat Thanos required him to give Thanos Yes, its Thanos. new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. And while he used all manner of magical spells on the Mad Titan, he seemingly never considered trying the same Dormammu time loop trick again. The group is composed of Charles Xavier, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, Captain Marvel, Captain Carter and Baron Mordo, who has replaced his world's Doctor Strange as both Sorcerer Supreme and a member of the Illuminati after his death. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. However based on onscreen feats, I'm not sure either of them could counter the effect of time Stone. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. How, exactly, the Quantum Realm and Ant-Man will play a factor in Thanos' final defeat has yet to be seen, but before their deaths at the hands of the Mad Titan, Pym did leave behind a mobile lab to venture deeper into the microscopic world while original Wasp Janet Van Dyne warned Scott of time vortices within the Realm before he returned for an exploratory mission. He can't control anything about time, just is independent of it. Strange was after destroying the stones. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). Or maybe mind stone could take over DS mind and force him to undo/give up, but Thanos do not have time Stone here so that is out of the option. All rights reserved. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Despite Strange memorably saying "There was no other way" before disappearing in a haze of dust, he was quite wrong; there was indeed another way. Thanos should still win, although he'd have to try much harder. Especially within his favourite franchises, such as Star Wars. In the fight Thanos would have wanted Strange to attempt to use the time stone so that he can see the stone and take it. I wasnt paying attention for that specifically the first time. Or in the round 3 when Strange is allowed foresight vision on what is going to happen? I feel like together, they would have prevented Thanos from obtaining the Time and Mind stone leaving Thor with the ability to cut off his head. , Honestly revealing it at all is too risky he could just snap and suddenly the eye is bubbles and strange can't harness the power and then he can just walk through them either way and get it, On top of that there's nothing honestly stopping him from sending strange to the dead of space or turning him into bubbles and he an do that just as fast or faster than strangest time magic. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. Strange did use the time stone against Thanos on Titan. Given Ant-Man's survival and confirmed role in Endgame, perhaps Strange is making an oblique chess reference to the size-swapping superhero taking on a more prominent role in the events of the film. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? Not a victory. This came after this universe's Doctor Strange used the Darkhold to Dream Walk across the Multiverse and use a plan different from the one the prime Strange used in Infinity War, in which Thanos won and killed half of humanity for five years. For the same reason he didn't just cut Thanos' hand off or his head like they did the other guy. Thanos had to win. As a result, Doctor Strange hands over the Time Stone to the villain, allowing Thanos to take one step closer to wiping out half the universe. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall Related: The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat. I think that if the Time stone worked in that dimension, the gaunlet would work just fine, I mean the gaunlet is powered by the stones. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. Add in the ability to use his shield, and the fact that he can wield Thor's hammer, and Cap is just as capable as anyone. While Sprite is resentful of them, Makkari points out that humans "defeated Thanos, and saved half the universe," showing that the Avengers' actions had an impact on how the Eternals viewed Earth. RELATED:Avengers: Endgame LEGO Set Reveals a Massive Upgrade for War Machine. On-screen stone feats Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The following contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, now playing in theaters. Unfortunately, nothing can stop the warlord, who goes as far as to nearly kill Tony Stark it's at this moment that Doctor Strange decides to give up the Time Stone. Wait, why the heck would Doctor Strange willingly give Thanos the stone? GTA 6: Did Rapper 50 Cent Just Tease His Role In Next Grand Theft Auto? What i'm curious about is why strange didnt use the time stone from the past to restore his own so that future threats like dormmamu wont be a problem. Doctor Strange's Role In Avengers: Endgame, snap greatly damaged Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, Time Travel In The MCU & Avengers: Endgame Explained, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics, MCU Vibranium Theory Answers Major Origin Questions. Press J to jump to the feed. It's logical to assume, however horrifying the implications, that Strange can use the Time Stone to force people to undergo this effect as well. Before Thanos arrives, the group begins formulating a plan to defeat him. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. It's this method that a classic Avengers villain uses in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 - and though he has no need fortheTime Stone itself, Doctor Strange can certainly emulate his technique, however heinous it may be. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. Marvel Reveals How Doctor Strange Could Have Beat Thanos With Time, The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat, Captain Marvel Is Stronger Than Aquaman - Even Underwater, Star Trek's New Spock Upgrade Totally Changes His Vulcan Biology, Wolverine Cosplay Proves His Comic Costume Is Terrifying in Live-Action, Calvin And Hobbes: 10 Facts You Never Knew About Bill Watterson's Comic Strip. A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at the hands of Scarlet Witch. For requests, comments, or to hear his pitch for a third Avatar series that incorporates robots, you can reach him atbs.zachary@gmail.com. What if Dr Strange kept looping time with Thanos?Just keep bargaining with Thanos until he gives up like with Dormamu.That would be quite the sight. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. And also, it's unknown how far into the future Strange peered, as the Emergence was ready around one year after the events of Endgame, meaning he would've had to have looked pretty far into each future. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Regardless of the reasoning, seeing this newexperience against Thanos adds a whole new perspective to how the MCU progresses over the past 14 years and what could still be lurking over the horizon. In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). New Rumor Reveals Ben Affleck's Batman Involvement In James Gunn's DCU, Warner Bros. Unveils New Superman Movie Collection Amid DC Reboot, Robert Pattinsons The Batman 2 Gains Unsurprising Cast Member, Michael B. Jordan Shares Blunt Response to Black Superman Casting Rumors, Loki Season 2 Gets Release Date Update (Report), The Flash Movie Synopsis References Henry Cavill's Superman. The person needs to consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want. Despite a brief jaunt in Mathematics at Durham University, film writing was always his calling. Would have made for a At first, it appears that Doctor Strange gives the Time Stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony's life. The mostobvious comes from those 14 million futures Doctor Strange saw; it's entirely possible thathe did attempt to use the Time Stone in one or more of them, only for it to not succeed in ultimately stopping Thanos. Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. He did this for who knows how long until everything worked out exactly how he planned. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of It's a pretty solid supposition that this journey may provide the Avengers with a means to travel back in time without the use of the Time Stone. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. Or maybe Thanos resurrects Gamora out of grief, and this gives the Avengers the opening they need. But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. To defeat his opponents through magic and intelligent work did indeed use the time stone and foresight this would prevented. 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